A knowledgeable, intelligent working-class layperson I know in the Latin Church, even a product of parochial schools, even arguably in the Latin Church’s most conservative jurisdiction, who hasn’t been to Mass much since it was translated into English, was shocked to learn that her Church teaches that God’s Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father and the Son, the word filioque the Latins added to the Creed starting in the 7th century.  Her faith was o/Orthodox on this question, the Spirit proceeding only from the Father, as the unamended Creed and the Gospel According to St. John 15:26 say!  How many Latins have been like her over the last 13 centuries?  How much was it really talked about among lay Latins when it was all in Latin?!  How many devout, knowledgeable Latins were surprised to hear what they heard at those first vernacular Masses in the ’60s?!!  (And I don’t mean guitars!)  Did the Orthodox Church lose a chance there???

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  1. asimplesinner

    “intelligent working-class layperson I know in the Latin Church, even a product of parochial schools, even arguably in the Latin Church’s most conservative jurisdiction,

    Using the term “jurisdiction” sounds rather bookish and affected. Converts are prone to convert-speak, but “diocese” would sound far more natural.

  2. Leo Peter O'Filon

    Dear asimplesinner,

    Thanks for the copy-edit, but I was striving for a generic term, and didn’t think the technical Latin canon law term, “particular Church,” would mean anything to most people. But it’s true, “jurisdiction” is mostly an Orthodox Diaspora term not used much by Latins or Protestants. Gives me an idea for another post!

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